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L.T Bell Punch with transfer / return ticket canceller attachment.
Many thanks to KK69521(Member) for kindly correcting the site as to the origins of this type of Bell Punch back plate .
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Claire says...
The usual LT late 40's early 50's punch won't clip onto this plate and there are no holes or marks which might show that a perment fixed punch has been removed from the plate. Any ideas anyone. Claire
The punch shown in this picture was made by the Bell Punch Company at Uxbridge - they were standard on central buses.
LT also made their own punches (usually stamped 'LPTB' ) broadly to an earlier LCC Tramways design - these being known as an 'A Punch' - see photo http://www.ticketmachinewebsite.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=272
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A Punches were used mainly across the tram & trolleybus fleet (although some ex LUT depots converted to TIM's in about 1931) and also at (at least some) country bus garages.
An A-punch won't fit on a backplate for a Bell Punch Company punch, and vice versa. Is that what you're trying to do?
The two types of (LT made) canceller look very similar, but the one to go with a Bell Punch machine (as per above picture) was fitted onto a plate wider than the canceller so it would fit this type of back plate. Those for use with A-punches had two studs one above the other.
There seems to have been as least two types of L.T punches that attached to this type of back plate,the early type is pictured(although not a very good image ) in this section worn by a Conductor of a STL,he is also using the leather back plate attachment that buttons to the jacket as mentioned by yourself.
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Claire
07:35 PM on November 19, 2009
I have a similar London Transport back plate to this one which is mounted on a leather backing which hooks onto the top two buttond of a conductors double breasted jacket. This belonged to my dad who joined LT immediatly after WW2. The usual LT late 40's early 50's punch won't clip onto this plate and there are no holes or marks which might show that a perment fixed punch has been removed from the plate. Any ideas anyone. Claire
Quite rare to see a punch + canceller back plate with the spring intact - they tended to break off.
However, the cancellers were for the transfer / return tickets that preceded the Early Morning Singles - the latter were for a single journey only and did not need cancelling.
The cancellers were either made by Bell Punch Co, or (later) at LT's Effra Road (former LCC Tramways ticket & punch works) - the latter being based on the LCCT canceller.
Not all LT central bus routes had this sort of ticket, therefore not all garages used this style of plate.
All transfer / return facilities were withdrawn in (from memory) 1950 - when the fares structure on buses / trams / trolleybuses was simplified (and EMS tickets introduced) in readiness both for mechanisation and also the tram replacement programme.
However, the cancellers were for the transfer / return tickets that preceded the Early Morning Singles - the latter were for a single journey only and did not need cancelling.
The cancellers were either made by Bell Punch Co, or (later) at LT's Effra Road (former LCC Tramways ticket & punch works) - the latter being based on the LCCT canceller.
Not all LT central bus routes had this sort of ticket, therefore not all garages used this style of plate.
All transfer / return facilities were withdrawn in (from memory) 1950 - when the fares structure on buses / trams / trolleybuses was simplified (and EMS tickets introduced) in readiness both for mechanisation and also the tram replacement programme.
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